the superstorm sandy and during katrina. when american people are asked to innovate, to conserve and car pool. >> and asked to wait in line forever and i don't know that superstorm sandy is the best example. >> one of the things that we have to think about conservation and implications and pollution and things like that. and might force that, but kevin, a lot of people don't have a choice, they have to drive. >> you know, brenda, you can't take blood from a stone. we have inflation in food, in energy and heating oil and the gasoline and everything else and everything consumer goods that we see. it's going to impact discretionary spending. and they are he going to do it willingly and we're all trying it save money, but at the end of the day it's another tax on the middle class, all this is and already, if you look, again, i've lived in eastern europe, too, and pay more for gas, but people cannot spend as much on other things, bottom line it's a tax on the middle class, it's going to affect the economy for the worse, that's it. >> final word. >> challenging things to put in front of the americ